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6 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:28:08 +0100
7 From: Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk>
8 To: martyn@lanedo.com, micke@tinybird.com, richard@tinybird.com
9 Cc: Robert McQueen <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk>, Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>
10 Subject: Telepathy logger, good old Gossip and licenses
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21 Long time ago that i talked with most of you, hopefully you're all doing
22 well and are having fun with your current endeavours :)
24 As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a logger
25 service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via telepathy
26 (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be automagically
27 logged. Part of this service will be a little library one can use for writing
30 The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy, which
31 in turn has its origins in Gossip. Which means the library needs has to be
32 GPL currently, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we were
33 wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL v2.1+
35 To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip:
36 libgossip/gossip-time.c:
38 Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn
40 libgossip/gossip-log.c:
42 No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn
43 with contributions from Richard and Mikael
45 So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this
46 code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make
47 that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own
48 the copyrights ttbomk)
52 One meets his destiny often on the road he takes to avoid it.
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65 Subject: Re: Telepathy logger, good old Gossip and licenses
66 From: Martyn Russell <martyn@lanedo.com>
67 To: Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk>
68 Cc: micke@tinybird.com, richard@tinybird.com, Robert McQueen <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk>, Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>
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79 On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 16:28 +0100, Sjoerd Simons wrote:
84 > Long time ago that i talked with most of you, hopefully you're all doing
85 > well and are having fun with your current endeavours :)
89 > As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a logger
90 > service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via telepathy
91 > (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be automagically
92 > logged. Part of this service will be a little library one can use for writing
97 > The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy, which
98 > in turn has its origins in Gossip. Which means the library needs has to be
99 > GPL currently, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we were
100 > wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL v2.1+
102 > To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip:
103 > libgossip/gossip-time.c:
104 > Copyright: Imendio AB
105 > Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn
107 > libgossip/gossip-log.c:
108 > Copyright: Imendio AB
109 > No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn
110 > with contributions from Richard and Mikael
112 > So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this
113 > code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make
114 > that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own
115 > the copyrights ttbomk)
117 Absolutely fine by me.
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142 From: Richard Hult <richard@tinybird.com>
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144 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:40 +0200
145 Cc: martyn@lanedo.com, micke@tinybird.com, Robert McQueen <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk>, Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>
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148 To: Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk>
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155 Long time no see :) Hope everything is fine!
157 > To be more specific we tracked the code down the follow files from Gossip:
158 > libgossip/gossip-time.c:
159 > Copyright: Imendio AB
160 > Main Author is Richard with contributions from Mikael and Martyn
162 > libgossip/gossip-log.c:
163 > Copyright: Imendio AB
164 > No main author in the license header, code mostly written by Martyn
165 > with contributions from Richard and Mikael
167 > So what it in the end comes down to is: would you be happy to relicense this
168 > code such that we can use it under the LGPL v2.1+ and are you able to make
169 > that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (which from a legal perspective own
170 > the copyrights ttbomk)
172 Micke and I are fine with relicensing any Imendio and/or personally owned code in the mentioned files to LGPL v2.1+. I can make that decision on behalf of Imendio AB (now known as Tinybird Interactive AB).
178 Tinybird Interactive - Inspiring Software
181 From guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk Thu Jun 17 14:51:24 2010
182 Subject: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL
183 From: Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>
184 To: lars@metafoo.de, 84yelo3@gmail.com
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201 As a bit of background of why i'm mailing you all, we're building a
202 logger service for Telepathy. This allows any IM conversation done via
203 telepathy (whether it be in gnome shell, Empathy or whatever) to be
204 automagically logged. Part of this service will be a little library one
205 can use for writing log viewers.
207 The current storage backend is based on the logging code from Empathy
208 which is currently GPL, which is not great for obvious reasons. Hence we
209 were wondering if there is a possibility to relicense this code to LGPL
212 Both of you contributed to empathy-log-store-empathy. Would you agree to
213 relicense your contributions to LGPL v2.1+ ?
216 http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=ee5227403193fe7b5dae7d5c15e33d8a9c385c3f
219 http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=ddae3ae13b1bf6368bd91327357e3c6999ac6a45
220 http://git.gnome.org/browse/empathy/commit/?id=61226f8d9920b92dd5b2defa606efabde6367b2c
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253 From: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
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258 Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL
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270 > Hi Nicolò, Hi Lars-Peter,
272 > [...] Both of you contributed to empathy-log-store-empathy. Would
273 > you agree to relicense your contributions to LGPL v2.1+ ?
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319 From: "Nicolo' Chieffo" <84yelo3@gmail.com>
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323 Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL
324 To: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
325 Cc: Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>, Robert McQueen <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk>, Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk>
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330 I'm not a license expert so I don't exactly know why GPL is not ok for
332 So I just trust your decision.
334 From guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk Thu Jun 17 17:26:37 2010
335 Subject: Re: Relicensing of empathy-log-store-empathy to LPGL
336 From: Guillaume Desmottes <guillaume.desmottes@collabora.co.uk>
337 To: Nicolo' Chieffo <84yelo3@gmail.com>
338 Cc: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>, Robert McQueen <robert.mcqueen@collabora.co.uk>, Sjoerd Simons <sjoerd.simons@collabora.co.uk>
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355 Le jeudi 17 juin 2010 à 17:17 +0200, Nicolo' Chieffo a écrit :
356 > I'm not a license expert so I don't exactly know why GPL is not ok for
358 > So I just trust your decision.
360 We want libtelepathy-logger to be LGPL instead of GPL so non-GPL
361 application can link to it.
362 That's also a requirement for libraries in the GNOME platform.
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