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<li class="message">[<a href="#T00:55:02" id="T00:55:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T00:55:02+00:00">00:55:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>I promised details on the latest gcc-csl failure</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T01:20:26" id="T01:20:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T01:20:26+00:00">01:20:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>heh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T01:20:36" id="T01:20:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T01:20:36+00:00">01:20:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>Quality code from a Quality company ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T01:23:25" id="T01:23:25"><abbr title="2008-11-28T01:23:25+00:00">01:23:25</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>Microsoft?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T01:34:23" id="T01:34:23"><abbr title="2008-11-28T01:34:23+00:00">01:34:23</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>any list of beagle board resellers in India ?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:10:37" id="T02:10:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:10:37+00:00">02:10:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>vijay</cite>&gt; <q>is there a vnc server which exports the linux framebuffer device?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:11:03" id="T02:11:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:11:03+00:00">02:11:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>vijay</cite>&gt; <q>i dont have a physical movitor that can be connected to beagle</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:11:48" id="T02:11:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:11:48+00:00">02:11:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>that would be impossible to do efficiently</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:12:27" id="T02:12:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:12:27+00:00">02:12:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>the server would have to be continuously scanning the framebuffer for changes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:13:01" id="T02:13:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:13:01+00:00">02:13:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>vijay: I was thinking about writing such a server</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:13:20" id="T02:13:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:13:20+00:00">02:13:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: it depends on the framebuffer device.. if it's a pseudo device designed for it...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:13:35" id="T02:13:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:13:35+00:00">02:13:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: can't you get an interrupt or signal when someone modifies a certain piece of memory?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:13:36" id="T02:13:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:13:36+00:00">02:13:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>vijay</cite>&gt; <q>it need not be effecient ... i just want to see whether the application runs or not .</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:13:45" id="T02:13:45"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:13:45+00:00">02:13:45</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if it's something an application can mmap, you're stuffed</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:14:04" id="T02:14:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:14:04+00:00">02:14:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>then it has to scan it</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:14:18" id="T02:14:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:14:18+00:00">02:14:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if you tried to trap every application write to the memory, the app would crawl</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:14:28" id="T02:14:28"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:14:28+00:00">02:14:28</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if it moved at all</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:14:34" id="T02:14:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:14:34+00:00">02:14:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>wait.. isn't there only 1 app writing ot memory?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:14:50" id="T02:14:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:14:50+00:00">02:14:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>any number of apps can map the framebuffer</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:15:29" id="T02:15:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:15:29+00:00">02:15:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>and even a single app would grind to a halt if every write to the framebuffer trapped</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:15:50" id="T02:15:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:15:50+00:00">02:15:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>ok fine, so it could just scan the framebuffer</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:16:36" id="T02:16:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:16:36+00:00">02:16:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if all you need to see is the text console, there's a simpler way</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:17:13" id="T02:17:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:17:13+00:00">02:17:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>just monitor /dev/vcs*</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:20:52" id="T02:20:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:20:52+00:00">02:20:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: that's a good point</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:21:02" id="T02:21:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:21:02+00:00">02:21:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>but it wouldn't work for graphics</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:21:15" id="T02:21:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:21:15+00:00">02:21:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>anyway.. isn't the bottle neck in vnc transmitting the data over the internet?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:21:58" id="T02:21:58"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:21:58+00:00">02:21:58</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>you won't be transmitting the entire framebuffer over any kind of net with a reasonable refresh rate</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:22:11" id="T02:22:11"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:22:11+00:00">02:22:11</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>well even 2hz would be useful</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:22:31" id="T02:22:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:22:31+00:00">02:22:31</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>there is a library for directfb</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:22:33" id="T02:22:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:22:33+00:00">02:22:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>to do vnc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:22:51" id="T02:22:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:22:51+00:00">02:22:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>that's already 30 Mbps</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:22:59" id="T02:22:59"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:22:59+00:00">02:22:59</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>for a decent-sized framebuffer</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:06" id="T02:23:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:06+00:00">02:23:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>wait.. that's a client that uses the framebuffer to display</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:15" id="T02:23:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:15+00:00">02:23:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: it only sends compressed diffs</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:27" id="T02:23:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:27+00:00">02:23:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>vijay</cite>&gt; <q>i looked at the packages in Openembedded "fbvncserver" ........ i googled a bit and found that this is only for ipaq ... </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:33" id="T02:23:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:33+00:00">02:23:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>yes, which is why you'd need to scan the framebuffer for changes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:49" id="T02:23:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:49+00:00">02:23:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>an X-based vnc server known exactly what is changing</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:23:58" id="T02:23:58"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:23:58+00:00">02:23:58</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>by hooking into the X protocol</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:09" id="T02:24:09"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:09+00:00">02:24:09</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>doesn't mean it would work better for video or fast-action stuff</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:24" id="T02:24:24"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:24+00:00">02:24:24</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>forget it for video</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:28" id="T02:24:28"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:28+00:00">02:24:28</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>heh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:32" id="T02:24:32"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:32+00:00">02:24:32</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>O</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:35" id="T02:24:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:35+00:00">02:24:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>I've done it though</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:24:51" id="T02:24:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:24:51+00:00">02:24:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>on gigabit ethernet</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:25:43" id="T02:25:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:25:43+00:00">02:25:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>I think it would be fast enough to be usable with intelligent scanning</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:26:14" id="T02:26:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:26:14+00:00">02:26:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it could skip all around and access the memory randomly.. the key is if something changes it should scan all around nearby that location, with the "master" scan points always moving</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:26:21" id="T02:26:21"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:26:21+00:00">02:26:21</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>you could probably get the transmitted data down to reasonable amounts by searching for changes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:26:38" id="T02:26:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:26:38+00:00">02:26:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>so it might take it 10 seconds to realize if you change a single pixel.. but if you change a bunch of pixels in one area it would get they quickly</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:27:22" id="T02:27:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:27:22+00:00">02:27:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if you don't watch out you'll drown the poor cpu with all that processing</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:27:26" id="T02:27:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:27:26+00:00">02:27:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>heh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:27:30" id="T02:27:30"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:27:30+00:00">02:27:30</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>that's why you watch out</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:27:54" id="T02:27:54"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:27:54+00:00">02:27:54</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>you'd have to accept some pretty bad artifacts on the remote view</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:36:54" id="T02:36:54"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:36:54+00:00">02:36:54</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: well see how advanced the algorithms are :-P</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:37:34" id="T02:37:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:37:34+00:00">02:37:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it might be able to "learn" about how to find artifacts by running post processing (when there is idle cpu)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:37:44" id="T02:37:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:37:44+00:00">02:37:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>since each user is different</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:38:16" id="T02:38:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:38:16+00:00">02:38:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it could also monitor /dev/vcs* to give lightning fast console use</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:38:41" id="T02:38:41"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:38:41+00:00">02:38:41</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>don't know why you'd care about that though</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:38:46" id="T02:38:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:38:46+00:00">02:38:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>might as well use ssh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:39:06" id="T02:39:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:39:06+00:00">02:39:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>unless you have a keyboard but no monitor</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:39:45" id="T02:39:45"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:39:45+00:00">02:39:45</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>the last time I was in that situation I didn't have an OS either...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:01" id="T02:40:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:01+00:00">02:40:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>heh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:15" id="T02:40:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:15+00:00">02:40:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>This maybe too late now.. but x11vnc will connect to an already running X session.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:16" id="T02:40:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:16+00:00">02:40:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>yeah, I don't plan on implementing that feature, but it's possible</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:30" id="T02:40:30"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:30+00:00">02:40:30</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>Wbgr_Grumpy: we need to modify it to scan fbdev</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:51" id="T02:40:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:51+00:00">02:40:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>it hooks to X in a very different way</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:40:53" id="T02:40:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:40:53+00:00">02:40:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>ok.. I have no idea how it actually works. :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:41:04" id="T02:41:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:41:04+00:00">02:41:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>Why do you care what way?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:41:10" id="T02:41:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:41:10+00:00">02:41:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>I don'tk know exactly how, but it gets the X server to tell it whenever something changes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:41:29" id="T02:41:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:41:29+00:00">02:41:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: then it just sends that?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:41:36" id="T02:41:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:41:36+00:00">02:41:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>exactly</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:41:50" id="T02:41:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:41:50+00:00">02:41:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>mru: if the framebuffer driver supported that, you could do the same thing</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:42:00" id="T02:42:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:42:00+00:00">02:42:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>the framebuffer driver can never support that</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:42:09" id="T02:42:09"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:42:09+00:00">02:42:09</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>because of how the framebuffer works</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:42:12" id="T02:42:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:42:12+00:00">02:42:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it could if it ran stuff on an alternate processor</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:42:16" id="T02:42:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:42:16+00:00">02:42:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>or scanned in kernel space</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:42:31" id="T02:42:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:42:31+00:00">02:42:31</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>it would still be eating cpu time and memory bandwidth</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:43:12" id="T02:43:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:12+00:00">02:43:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>So what's wrong with the way x11vnc does it then?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:43:18" id="T02:43:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:18+00:00">02:43:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>nothing</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:43:22" id="T02:43:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:22+00:00">02:43:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>Wbgr_Grumpy: it needs x</q></li>
<li class="action">[<a href="#T02:43:31" id="T02:43:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:31+00:00">02:43:31</abbr></a>] <span>* Wbgr_Grumpy is so lost</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:43:42" id="T02:43:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:42+00:00">02:43:42</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>I thought you had x</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:43:49" id="T02:43:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:43:49+00:00">02:43:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>and wanted to see it with vnc and no physical monitor</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:44:10" id="T02:44:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:44:10+00:00">02:44:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if you have X the device it's running on is irrelevant</q></li>
<li class="action">[<a href="#T02:44:42" id="T02:44:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:44:42+00:00">02:44:42</abbr></a>] <span>* Wbgr_Grumpy is missing the point of all this. (which doesn't really matter)</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:44:49" id="T02:44:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:44:49+00:00">02:44:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>heh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:45:05" id="T02:45:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:45:05+00:00">02:45:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>so the mention of "vnc for the framebuffer", at least in my mind, precluded the use of X</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:46:17" id="T02:46:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:46:17+00:00">02:46:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>although it woudl still work in x</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:46:20" id="T02:46:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:46:20+00:00">02:46:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>ahh... I get it</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:46:46" id="T02:46:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:46:46+00:00">02:46:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>Well, sorry for wasting your time. ;)</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:47:14" id="T02:47:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:47:14+00:00">02:47:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>I just never think of anything other than X needing a video connection.</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:47:29" id="T02:47:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:47:29+00:00">02:47:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>mru</cite>&gt; <q>if you don't want your time wasted you should stay off irc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:47:34" id="T02:47:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:47:34+00:00">02:47:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>indeed</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T02:48:52" id="T02:48:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T02:48:52+00:00">02:48:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>Hmm... the lady isn't coming home for dinner.</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:01:20" id="T03:01:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:01:20+00:00">03:01:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>x11vnc has support for linux framebuffer</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:01:49" id="T03:01:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:01:49+00:00">03:01:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>cool... so does that mean it can work X-less so to speak?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:01" id="T03:02:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:01+00:00">03:02:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>yes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:11" id="T03:02:11"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:11+00:00">03:02:11</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>make sure you have framebuffer support when you compile x11vnc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:23" id="T03:02:23"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:23+00:00">03:02:23</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>... but what where does the input go?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:39" id="T03:02:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:39+00:00">03:02:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it grabs it from the keyboard</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:46" id="T03:02:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:46+00:00">03:02:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it might not work in x</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:48" id="T03:02:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:48+00:00">03:02:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>sure, but where does it send it?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:02:49" id="T03:02:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:02:49+00:00">03:02:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>youll find out</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:03:01" id="T03:03:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:03:01+00:00">03:03:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>it has support for it I think</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:03:08" id="T03:03:08"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:03:08+00:00">03:03:08</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Wbgr_Grumpy</cite>&gt; <q>hm</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:05:22" id="T03:05:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:05:22+00:00">03:05:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>all I have to do is implement the super-smart scanning algorithm to make it fast :-P</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T03:06:35" id="T03:06:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T03:06:35+00:00">03:06:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>geckosenator</cite>&gt; <q>you could send mouse events through a fifo and havfe gpm on the remote side read them (x reads from gpm)</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:04:37" id="T06:04:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:04:37+00:00">06:04:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: ping</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:04:52" id="T06:04:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:04:52+00:00">06:04:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: pong. morning :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:02" id="T06:05:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:02+00:00">06:05:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2:good morning</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:24" id="T06:05:24"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:24+00:00">06:05:24</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I had one quick question on NAND support in our GIT u-boot-arm</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:25" id="T06:05:25"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:25+00:00">06:05:25</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: regarding your NAND bad block question, I'd like to ask U-Boot expert.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:33" id="T06:05:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:33+00:00">06:05:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: ok </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:55" id="T06:05:55"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:55+00:00">06:05:55</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: But seems due to holiday in the states he isn't on IRC</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:05:58" id="T06:05:58"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:05:58+00:00">06:05:58</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I just wanted to know if this is a bug or my usage problem</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:06:18" id="T06:06:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:06:18+00:00">06:06:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I will look into this. </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:06:48" id="T06:06:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:06:48+00:00">06:06:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: The expert for U-Boot NAND is Scott Wood. So once we meet him, we can ask.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:07:16" id="T06:07:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:07:16+00:00">06:07:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: ok</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:07:21" id="T06:07:21"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:07:21+00:00">06:07:21</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: I think that it might be an U-Boot (NAND) problem, but no OMAP3 patch/port related problem</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:08:10" id="T06:08:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:08:10+00:00">06:08:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: ok,</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:08:47" id="T06:08:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:08:47+00:00">06:08:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: as mentioned in mail, I think after next week I am out of all travels and presentation. I will focus on work :) and start with u-boot first</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:09:02" id="T06:09:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:09:02+00:00">06:09:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: Only thing we did in OMAP3 stuff is to "clean up" NAND driver and nandecc command. As I understand it, you have problems with bad block handling. If basic NAND access work through the cleaned up driver, I think that your issue might be U-Boot bad block handling related (?)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:09:20" id="T06:09:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:09:20+00:00">06:09:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: start with u-boot: :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:09:37" id="T06:09:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:09:37+00:00">06:09:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I was about to try basic NAND writes without BB</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:10:27" id="T06:10:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:10:27+00:00">06:10:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: In which NAND section are the bad blocks reported? kernel? file system?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:11:33" id="T06:11:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:11:33+00:00">06:11:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: x-loader is flashed properly with nand write.i</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:11:41" id="T06:11:41"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:11:41+00:00">06:11:41</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>but the u-boot section give BB</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:11:53" id="T06:11:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:11:53+00:00">06:11:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>and keeps skipping blocks till the end of flash :(</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:12:34" id="T06:12:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:12:34+00:00">06:12:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I don't know if sakoman has tried the same.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:13:06" id="T06:13:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:13:06+00:00">06:13:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: Yes, this would be second proposal: We should ask sakoman, too.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:15:11" id="T06:15:11"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:15:11+00:00">06:15:11</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I will try pulling sakoman's tree and see if the issue repeats</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:16:00" id="T06:16:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:16:00+00:00">06:16:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: Btw: When you find some time for some U-Boot work, send a short note that we align to avoid doing work twice ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:16:20" id="T06:16:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:16:20+00:00">06:16:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: yes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:16:39" id="T06:16:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:16:39+00:00">06:16:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: I will make my GIT available externally so that you know my work</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T06:36:22" id="T06:36:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T06:36:22+00:00">06:36:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: Maybe you like to send a mail to U-Boot list "Using U-Boot xxx everything works, using latest U-Boot I have issue zzz, any idea?" ?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:18:47" id="T11:18:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:18:47+00:00">11:18:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>gooooooooood morning</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:23:31" id="T11:23:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:23:31+00:00">11:23:31</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>moin</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:24:18" id="T11:24:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:24:18+00:00">11:24:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>koen: did you see my mail on the ML regarding ethernet gadget?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:26:33" id="T11:26:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:26:33+00:00">11:26:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>I did, isn't that patch in rc6?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:27:10" id="T11:27:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:27:10+00:00">11:27:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>I do not know. My "OE kernel" did not have this patch.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:32:43" id="T11:32:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:32:43+00:00">11:32:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Stskeeps</cite>&gt; <q>RobertK: g_ether not loading or? :P</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:37:29" id="T11:37:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:37:29+00:00">11:37:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>?!?! What do you mean?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:40:27" id="T11:40:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:40:27+00:00">11:40:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>RobertK: the link you gave me doesn't allow patch extraction</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:43:39" id="T11:43:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:43:39+00:00">11:43:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>koen: is this what you need?: <a href="http://www.mibbit.com/pb/f5M28P">http://www.mibbit.com/pb/f5M28P</a> </q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:55:06" id="T11:55:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:55:06+00:00">11:55:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>koen: you need a source in the net to grab pure text?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:56:12" id="T11:56:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:56:12+00:00">11:56:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>pundiramit</cite>&gt; <q>hi... ???I have ported gnome-desktop+x11 on omap3-evm... gnome-session comes up nicely but no way to interact with the system... can anyone tell me how can I make tslib work with that?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:56:19" id="T11:56:19"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:56:19+00:00">11:56:19</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>koen: like this: <a href="http://rowkajjh.fastmail.fm/rndis_patch.txt">http://rowkajjh.fastmail.fm/rndis_patch.txt</a> ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:56:50" id="T11:56:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:56:50+00:00">11:56:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>pundiramit: 'ported'?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:57:00" id="T11:57:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:57:00+00:00">11:57:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>pundiramit: you rewrote everyting in armv7 asm? </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:57:11" id="T11:57:11"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:57:11+00:00">11:57:11</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>pundiramit: or do you mean "I compiled it from arm"?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T11:58:04" id="T11:58:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T11:58:04+00:00">11:58:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>pundiramit</cite>&gt; <q>koen: no i took ubuntu development base for armel (jaunty release) and build my system on top of that</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:05:42" id="T12:05:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:05:42+00:00">12:05:42</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>likewise</cite>&gt; <q>so much for porting</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:45:43" id="T12:45:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:45:43+00:00">12:45:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: how do you configure Angstrom to take VGA as the resolution?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:46:02" id="T12:46:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:46:02+00:00">12:46:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>I have DLP connected, but its still running at 1024</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:46:26" id="T12:46:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:46:26+00:00">12:46:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: the drivers in kernel are configured for VGA</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:47:43" id="T12:47:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:47:43+00:00">12:47:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>IRC logs: Anything broken with <a href="http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs">http://www.beagleboard.org/irclogs</a> ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:48:40" id="T12:48:40"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:48:40+00:00">12:48:40</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>dirk2: dont think so.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:49:37" id="T12:49:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:49:37+00:00">12:49:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>dirks2: everything okay here</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:50:15" id="T12:50:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:50:15+00:00">12:50:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dirk2</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: k. Seems I get blank pages for everything :( Will check. Thanks.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:52:33" id="T12:52:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:52:33+00:00">12:52:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: with DSS1 or DSS2?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:54:07" id="T12:54:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:54:07+00:00">12:54:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: with DSS1 you can pass the mode you want in the kernel cmdline, with DSS2 you need to recompile the kernel</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:54:45" id="T12:54:45"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:54:45+00:00">12:54:45</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: DSS2: CONFIG_PANEL_DVI_640X480=y </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:56:42" id="T12:56:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:56:42+00:00">12:56:42</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: RobertK: will check this out</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:56:54" id="T12:56:54"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:56:54+00:00">12:56:54</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>I am now running some default image from the NAND </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:57:05" id="T12:57:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:57:05+00:00">12:57:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>will have to find out the kernel...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:57:34" id="T12:57:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:57:34+00:00">12:57:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>RobertK</cite>&gt; <q>afk</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:57:35" id="T12:57:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:57:35+00:00">12:57:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>the second question I had:</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:58:00" id="T12:58:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:58:00+00:00">12:58:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>I am trying to run the mplayer by default</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:58:21" id="T12:58:21"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:58:21+00:00">12:58:21</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>trying to change the init.d/rcS but doesn't get reflected</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T12:58:31" id="T12:58:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T12:58:31+00:00">12:58:31</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>any place that I can add this mplayer command?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:11:50" id="T13:11:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:11:50+00:00">13:11:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: any suggestions ?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:17:30" id="T13:17:30"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:17:30+00:00">13:17:30</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>khasim: you're at foss.in?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:19:07" id="T13:19:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:19:07+00:00">13:19:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: no at office, I will be at foss.in tomorrow</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:19:53" id="T13:19:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:19:53+00:00">13:19:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>mru: you blog post is hilarious :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:19:55" id="T13:19:55"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:19:55+00:00">13:19:55</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>"CodeSourcery insist they subject every compiler release to an extensive test suite. Evidently it does not extend to cover the right shift operator."</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:20:37" id="T13:20:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:20:37+00:00">13:20:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: the script worked</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:20:39" id="T13:20:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:20:39+00:00">13:20:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>khasim</cite>&gt; <q>koen: thanks</q></li>
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<li class="nick-change">[<a href="#T13:51:50" id="T13:51:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:51:50+00:00">13:51:50</abbr></a>] <span>* FuL|OUT is now known as fulgas</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T13:59:51" id="T13:59:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T13:59:51+00:00">13:59:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>tomba: are you aiming for 2.6.29 or 2.6.30 to include DSS2? </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:00:37" id="T14:00:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:00:37+00:00">14:00:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>zuh</cite>&gt; <q>koen: url?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:01:18" id="T14:01:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:01:18+00:00">14:01:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>zuh: url for what?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:01:27" id="T14:01:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:01:27+00:00">14:01:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>zuh</cite>&gt; <q>for the blog post...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:01:41" id="T14:01:41"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:01:41+00:00">14:01:41</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>zuh: <a href="http://hardwarebug.org/2008/11/28/codesourcery-fails-again/">http://hardwarebug.org/2008/11/28/codesourcery-fails-again/</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:02:12" id="T14:02:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:02:12+00:00">14:02:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>zuh</cite>&gt; <q>thanks, google failed me in locating that :)</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:26:03" id="T14:26:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:26:03+00:00">14:26:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>can i connect a usb hard drive (or a thumbdrive) to beagle board ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:27:48" id="T14:27:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:27:48+00:00">14:27:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>if you have a mini-a cable</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T14:59:53" id="T14:59:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T14:59:53+00:00">14:59:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>no_mind: that's the wrong kind of mini cable</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:00:39" id="T15:00:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:00:39+00:00">15:00:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>koen, aha nice to see you here</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:01:14" id="T15:01:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:01:14+00:00">15:01:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>koen, then what kind of cable you are refering to</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:01:37" id="T15:01:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:01:37+00:00">15:01:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>a mini-A, like I said</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:02:03" id="T15:02:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:02:03+00:00">15:02:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>ok</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:06:14" id="T15:06:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:06:14+00:00">15:06:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>depends on your phone</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:06:29" id="T15:06:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:06:29+00:00">15:06:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>but again I would guess most phones are a usb-device, not a host, no?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:09:38" id="T15:09:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:09:38+00:00">15:09:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>most phones are indeed just "B" devices, i.e. usb slaves</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:09:57" id="T15:09:57"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:09:57+00:00">15:09:57</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>thus they have usb mini or micro receptacle</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:11:06" id="T15:11:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:11:06+00:00">15:11:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>however, at least few nokia S40 or S60 phones have a usb micro AB connector even though they are _not_ OTG devices</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:12:14" id="T15:12:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:12:14+00:00">15:12:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>i guess that is so because some nokia handsfree set has usb micro A connector...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:12:23" id="T15:12:23"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:12:23+00:00">15:12:23</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>yes, but do they ship with the right cable?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:12:49" id="T15:12:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:12:49+00:00">15:12:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>as long as they cannot act as usb host, they would not need to ship a cable with mini-A</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:13:10" id="T15:13:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:13:10+00:00">15:13:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>they ship with micro b cable</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:14:13" id="T15:14:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:14:13+00:00">15:14:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>so no use for no_mind </q></li>
<li class="message">[<abbr title="2008-11-28T15:14:13+00:00">15:14:13</abbr>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>and afaik symbian does not even support usb host mode yes, but i might be wrong</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:15:17" id="T15:15:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:15:17+00:00">15:15:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>but i am not talking phone but about beagle board</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:15:44" id="T15:15:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:15:44+00:00">15:15:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>can i connect a usb thumbdrive to a beage board and use it for storage</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:16:21" id="T15:16:21"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:16:21+00:00">15:16:21</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>no_mind: yes, but only with a correct cable</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:16:52" id="T15:16:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:16:52+00:00">15:16:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>ok</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:17:02" id="T15:17:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:17:02+00:00">15:17:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>no_mind</cite>&gt; <q>so I need to select the cable correctly</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:18:18" id="T15:18:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:18:18+00:00">15:18:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>adj_</cite>&gt; <q>usb OTG cables are relatively rare and cannot usually be found in every IT hardware store</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:18:19" id="T15:18:19"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:18:19+00:00">15:18:19</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>yes, you need a cable which is mini-A to something</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:18:26" id="T15:18:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:18:26+00:00">15:18:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>mini-A to A</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:18:47" id="T15:18:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:18:47+00:00">15:18:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>for a thumbdrive</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:19:45" id="T15:19:45"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:19:45+00:00">15:19:45</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>it looks like this: <a href="http://trisoft.de/pics/ZHost.JPG">http://trisoft.de/pics/ZHost.JPG</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:20:18" id="T15:20:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:20:18+00:00">15:20:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>note the 'A' beneath the usb logo</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:20:28" id="T15:20:28"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:20:28+00:00">15:20:28</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>TI should seriously consider adding this to the BB BOM</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:20:52" id="T15:20:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:20:52+00:00">15:20:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>or pay for the extra power needed to answer this day after day here :-)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:22:37" id="T15:22:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:22:37+00:00">15:22:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>"answer 10 questions and receive a free SD card"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:22:58" id="T15:22:58"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:22:58+00:00">15:22:58</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>no, no more SD cards please...</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:35:41" id="T15:35:41"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:35:41+00:00">15:35:41</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>good morning all</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:36:37" id="T15:36:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:36:37+00:00">15:36:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>keesj</cite>&gt; <q>hi</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:36:38" id="T15:36:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:36:38+00:00">15:36:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>hey jkridner </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:37:58" id="T15:37:58"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:37:58+00:00">15:37:58</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>are you sure about no SD cards?  We could probably find a sponsor for those. ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:38:52" id="T15:38:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:38:52+00:00">15:38:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>Rev C has always been the answer--it just cannot get here in time.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:38:56" id="T15:38:56"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:38:56+00:00">15:38:56</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>I believe, however, that Digi-Key has found a source for the mini-A to A cables that they can sell.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:39:03" id="T15:39:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:39:03+00:00">15:39:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>great</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:39:07" id="T15:39:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:39:07+00:00">15:39:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>there are also a handful of mini-B based hubs.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:39:15" id="T15:39:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:39:15+00:00">15:39:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>make then not sell a single BB without</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:40:00" id="T15:40:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:40:00+00:00">15:40:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>I see they finally have a picture of the serial cable: <a href="http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=BBC01-ND">http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=BBC01-ND</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:40:34" id="T15:40:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:40:34+00:00">15:40:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>AV500</cite>&gt; <q>beautiful</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:40:38" id="T15:40:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:40:38+00:00">15:40:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>I don't see that they have the USB adapters in stock yet.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:51:47" id="T15:51:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:51:47+00:00">15:51:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>ah, great</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T15:52:24" id="T15:52:24"><abbr title="2008-11-28T15:52:24+00:00">15:52:24</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>keesj</cite>&gt; <q>The answer I usually get is "can't you fix it in software?"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:00:14" id="T16:00:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:00:14+00:00">16:00:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>who should I poke to get my mailing list subscription request accepted?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:02:09" id="T16:02:09"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:02:09+00:00">16:02:09</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>Vegar: jkridner </q></li>
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<li class="action">[<a href="#T16:11:03" id="T16:11:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:11:03+00:00">16:11:03</abbr></a>] <span>* Vegar pokes jkridner </span></li>
<li class="nick-change">[<a href="#T16:11:05" id="T16:11:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:11:05+00:00">16:11:05</abbr></a>] <span>* no_mind_ is now known as no_mind</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:12:07" id="T16:12:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:12:07+00:00">16:12:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>sweet, my SD cards arrived</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:15:43" id="T16:15:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:15:43+00:00">16:15:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>sojan</cite>&gt; <q>good to hear that koen, I'm waiting for my Beagles to reach me</q></li>
<li class="nick-change">[<a href="#T16:15:46" id="T16:15:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:15:46+00:00">16:15:46</abbr></a>] <span>* sojan is now known as sjam</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:16:46" id="T16:16:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:16:46+00:00">16:16:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>are you redizkan?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:01" id="T16:17:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:01+00:00">16:17:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>just want to make sure you aren't before I reject that one.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:09" id="T16:17:09"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:09+00:00">16:17:09</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>no</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:15" id="T16:17:15"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:15+00:00">16:17:15</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>I need to know there are human beings behind these sign-ups.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:32" id="T16:17:32"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:32+00:00">16:17:32</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>jkridner</cite>&gt; <q>k, then you should be signed-up now.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:38" id="T16:17:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:38+00:00">16:17:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>great</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:17:39" id="T16:17:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:17:39+00:00">16:17:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>thanks</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:18:13" id="T16:18:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:18:13+00:00">16:18:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>and there's the mail</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:18:19" id="T16:18:19"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:18:19+00:00">16:18:19</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>Vegar</cite>&gt; <q>\o/</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:18:23" id="T16:18:23"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:18:23+00:00">16:18:23</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>sjam</cite>&gt; <q>koen: I've been hanging around waiting for Rogermonk</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:20:10" id="T16:20:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:20:10+00:00">16:20:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>sjam: you could post to the beagle mailinglist and see if someone can answer your questions</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:32:41" id="T16:32:41"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:32:41+00:00">16:32:41</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>sjam</cite>&gt; <q>Good idea! I jwonder why I didn't think of that yet!</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:32:54" id="T16:32:54"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:32:54+00:00">16:32:54</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>:)</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:50:18" id="T16:50:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:50:18+00:00">16:50:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>"Free Beagle Board for first 25 registrations received!"</q></li>
<li class="action">[<a href="#T16:50:27" id="T16:50:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:50:27+00:00">16:50:27</abbr></a>] <span>* koen registers 25 times</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:51:01" id="T16:51:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:51:01+00:00">16:51:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>nabax</cite>&gt; <q>register where?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:52:40" id="T16:52:40"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:52:40+00:00">16:52:40</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>see beagleboard mailinglist</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:53:25" id="T16:53:25"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:53:25+00:00">16:53:25</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>sakoman: omapfbplay now builds against 2.6.26 and &gt;=2.6.27 kernels in OE </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T16:58:40" id="T16:58:40"><abbr title="2008-11-28T16:58:40+00:00">16:58:40</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>sjam</cite>&gt; <q>whats in the mailing list? register for what?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T18:42:31" id="T18:42:31"><abbr title="2008-11-28T18:42:31+00:00">18:42:31</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>jkridner: my thought was "wft, spam? Oh wait, it's legit" :)</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T20:56:12" id="T20:56:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T20:56:12+00:00">20:56:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, so who must be asked about the new non-vfp-armv6 arch? shouldn't we move the discussion?</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:26:13" id="T21:26:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:26:13+00:00">21:26:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>Okay, what am I missing here about power supplies.... is it THAT hard to slap a 7805 on a nominal 9V  wall wart and be done with!?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:26:51" id="T21:26:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:26:51+00:00">21:26:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>the discussions seems to be taking long then walking over to the nearest ratshack, getting prefboards and building it.</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:33:17" id="T21:33:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:33:17+00:00">21:33:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: I have no problems with such and arch, but *some* people do</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:33:52" id="T21:33:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:33:52+00:00">21:33:52</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, ok good. where can we discuss it and who are these people?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:34:04" id="T21:34:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:34:04+00:00">21:34:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>oe-devel mailinglist, where else?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<abbr title="2008-11-28T21:34:04+00:00">21:34:04</abbr>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>I guess those who maintain the linuxtogo hardware?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:34:37" id="T21:34:37"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:34:37+00:00">21:34:37</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>..because of the extra autobuilder cpu time etc. I mean</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:34:53" id="T21:34:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:34:53+00:00">21:34:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ok so can you raise the topic in oe-devel? it will receive more attention.</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:35:57" id="T21:35:57"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:35:57+00:00">21:35:57</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>if it were up to me we'd just add a tune-arm1136-novfp and add an armv6novfp arch</q></li>
<li class="action">[<a href="#T21:36:12" id="T21:36:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:36:12+00:00">21:36:12</abbr></a>] <span>* koen doesn't really care about other peoples opinions</span></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:37:12" id="T21:37:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:37:12+00:00">21:37:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>but that is ignorant!</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:40:56" id="T21:40:56"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:40:56+00:00">21:40:56</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>no, arrogant</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:43:27" id="T21:43:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:43:27+00:00">21:43:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, I tried being a non-narrogant person and created one kernel recipe</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:44:13" id="T21:44:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:44:13+00:00">21:44:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, would you like to see the diff?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:51:03" id="T21:51:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:51:03+00:00">21:51:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>attach it to #4878</q></li>
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<li class="nick-change">[<a href="#T21:53:09" id="T21:53:09"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:53:09+00:00">21:53:09</abbr></a>] <span>* FuL|OUT is now known as fulgas</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:54:05" id="T21:54:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:54:05+00:00">21:54:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, <a href="http://bugs.openembedded.net/attachment.cgi?id=13288">http://bugs.openembedded.net/attachment.cgi?id=13288</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:54:07" id="T21:54:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:54:07+00:00">21:54:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: is your 3d scanner code on the web somewhere?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:55:14" id="T21:55:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:55:14+00:00">21:55:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: I suspect that with the TARGET_FPU="soft" your tunefile isn't needed anymore</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:55:27" id="T21:55:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:55:27+00:00">21:55:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: if it is, rename it to tune-arm1136-novfp.inc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:55:47" id="T21:55:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:55:47+00:00">21:55:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: and to IMAGE_FSTYPES +=, not ?=</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:55:53" id="T21:55:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:55:53+00:00">21:55:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, but it outsources a lot of stuff that would be duplicated in the machine cofns</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:56:18" id="T21:56:18"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:56:18+00:00">21:56:18</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ok</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:56:44" id="T21:56:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:56:44+00:00">21:56:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: with "not needed" I mean "it's safe to use tune-arm1136.inc"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:57:47" id="T21:57:47"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:57:47+00:00">21:57:47</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: and PE = "1" looks bogus to me </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:58:05" id="T21:58:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:58:05+00:00">21:58:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: or this holger mess up the original kernel with his 1337 sed script?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:58:10" id="T21:58:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:58:10+00:00">21:58:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>that was XorA!!!!</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:58:44" id="T21:58:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:58:44+00:00">21:58:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>I don't think Xora added PE = "1"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:59:10" id="T21:59:10"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:59:10+00:00">21:59:10</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>39aefb74        (Holger Hans Peter Freyther     2008-11-16 03:07:33 +0100       5)PE = "1"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:59:16" id="T21:59:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:59:16+00:00">21:59:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>it was indeed zecke</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:59:39" id="T21:59:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:59:39+00:00">21:59:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: nope</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T21:59:55" id="T21:59:55"><abbr title="2008-11-28T21:59:55+00:00">21:59:55</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: it is a mess of C files + shell scripts</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:00:14" id="T22:00:14"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:00:14+00:00">22:00:14</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>I need to install the manual rotary table so I can get 360 deg coverage</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:00:17" id="T22:00:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:00:17+00:00">22:00:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>3d scanner?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:00:39" id="T22:00:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:00:39+00:00">22:00:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>I worked on it this afternoon and came to the conclusion that the juice is in the pattern you project</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:00:53" id="T22:00:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:00:53+00:00">22:00:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>and I am in the middle of doing a write up on it</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:01:05" id="T22:01:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:01:05+00:00">22:01:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>pattern?! I ain't doing no pattern</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:01:44" id="T22:01:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:01:44+00:00">22:01:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>you're doing a single line sweep?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:01:50" id="T22:01:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:01:50+00:00">22:01:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>patterns would make it harder and subject yourself to potential undercut/coloration issues</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:01:56" id="T22:01:56"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:01:56+00:00">22:01:56</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: for now, yes...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:02:26" id="T22:02:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:02:26+00:00">22:02:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>there was a paper I found that pointed out the drawbacks to doing a multibeam scan</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:02:50" id="T22:02:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:02:50+00:00">22:02:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>I read <a href="http://community.middlebury.edu/~schar/papers/structlight/structlight.pdf">http://community.middlebury.edu/~schar/papers/structlight/structlight.pdf</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:03:08" id="T22:03:08"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:03:08+00:00">22:03:08</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>that uses a b/w and then a w/b pattern to do thresholding</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:03:36" id="T22:03:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:03:36+00:00">22:03:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>which should eliminate most multibeam problems</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:04:39" id="T22:04:39"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:04:39+00:00">22:04:39</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>"hi-res" images from that paper can be seen at <a href="http://community.middlebury.edu/~schar/papers/structlight/">http://community.middlebury.edu/~schar/papers/structlight/</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:05:17" id="T22:05:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:05:17+00:00">22:05:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>interesting, but your math just went through the roof</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:05:36" id="T22:05:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:05:36+00:00">22:05:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>a single beam math can be figured out by someone with HS trig</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:06:35" id="T22:06:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:06:35+00:00">22:06:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>you can treat the multibeam pictures as multiple single beam ones to keep the math simple</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:00" id="T22:07:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:00+00:00">22:07:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>the multibeam is just to cup down on scan time (or rather number of pictures needed)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:03" id="T22:07:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:03+00:00">22:07:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, "tune-arm1136jf-s.novfp.inc" ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:07" id="T22:07:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:07+00:00">22:07:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>but then you tack on the graycode stuff</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:32" id="T22:07:32"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:32+00:00">22:07:32</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>I haven't read it word for word, but are either the subject or the camera moveable?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:33" id="T22:07:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:33+00:00">22:07:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: tune-arm11336-novfp.inc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:07:48" id="T22:07:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:07:48+00:00">22:07:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: both are immobile AFAICT</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:08:24" id="T22:08:24"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:08:24+00:00">22:08:24</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, tune-arm1136-novfp.inc ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:08:36" id="T22:08:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:08:36+00:00">22:08:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: right :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:08:38" id="T22:08:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:08:38+00:00">22:08:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>Hmm</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:08:56" id="T22:08:56"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:08:56+00:00">22:08:56</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: but for a demo a single beam would do</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:09:03" id="T22:09:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:09:03+00:00">22:09:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: has anyone taken the final step - take the results and attempt to make a copy of the object?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:09:12" id="T22:09:12"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:09:12+00:00">22:09:12</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: but if you want to scan someone's face...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:09:35" id="T22:09:35"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:09:35+00:00">22:09:35</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: I haven't seen people use a 3d printer or cnc machine</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:09:42" id="T22:09:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:09:42+00:00">22:09:42</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: heh... I am thinking of trying a face scan</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:10:05" id="T22:10:05"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:10:05+00:00">22:10:05</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>a neat trick would be to apply a texture to the scan as well</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:10:16" id="T22:10:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:10:16+00:00">22:10:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>that would be cool... OpenGL tricks</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:10:32" id="T22:10:32"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:10:32+00:00">22:10:32</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>SGI demo'd that at epcot centre</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:10:50" id="T22:10:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:10:50+00:00">22:10:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>even better would be to "parse" a color photo to get the texture map</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:10:51" id="T22:10:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:10:51+00:00">22:10:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>about 14 years ago :) </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:11:04" id="T22:11:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:11:04+00:00">22:11:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>I am talking about doing this with less then $500 budget ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:11:27" id="T22:11:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:11:27+00:00">22:11:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>:)</q></li>
<li class="join">[<a href="#T22:11:52" id="T22:11:52"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:11:52+00:00">22:11:52</abbr></a>] <span>* uwe_ (n=uwe_@dslb-084-056-056-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #beagle</span></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:11:53" id="T22:11:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:11:53+00:00">22:11:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>the easiest way is to take a snap before turning on the beam</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:11:57" id="T22:11:57"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:11:57+00:00">22:11:57</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>I want to CNC the results so the direction I am leaning toward is generating a proper STL file </q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:13:02" id="T22:13:02"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:13:02+00:00">22:13:02</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>i wish those guys posted the point cloud or some other 3D files so it can be examined in 3D space</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:14:06" id="T22:14:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:14:06+00:00">22:14:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>you only get a depthmap with your current code?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:14:24" id="T22:14:24"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:14:24+00:00">22:14:24</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>I get a point cloud... not quite sure what a depth map is</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:15:01" id="T22:15:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:15:01+00:00">22:15:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>a DEM</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:15:13" id="T22:15:13"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:15:13+00:00">22:15:13</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>(I'm coming from the machinist/cad guy's side of stuff so my terminology may not match up)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:15:46" id="T22:15:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:15:46+00:00">22:15:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>not quite... a????????? a DEM... I just have a mess of X/Y/Z coordinates that a CAD program needs  to turn into a mesh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:16:00" id="T22:16:00"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:16:00+00:00">22:16:00</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>mess, mesh, only one char apart :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:16:22" id="T22:16:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:16:22+00:00">22:16:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>since they are X/Y/Z's, I can transform and merge 4  scans to do a 360 (solid object)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:16:27" id="T22:16:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:16:27+00:00">22:16:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>hah</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:17:34" id="T22:17:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:17:34+00:00">22:17:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>Of course, all this is nice... fundamentally, I still have issues with talking to the camera over MUSB ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:17:48" id="T22:17:48"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:17:48+00:00">22:17:48</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>same here</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:18:53" id="T22:18:53"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:18:53+00:00">22:18:53</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>my bottle neck is talking to the projector -- I am running busybox httpd which has a CGI script setup... to get a line, I use USB ethernet gadget... each line is - wget the CGI, the CGI runs a program which writes to the frame buffer using read(); =)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:19:06" id="T22:19:06"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:19:06+00:00">22:19:06</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>master of efficiency here ;)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:19:07" id="T22:19:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:19:07+00:00">22:19:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>you could combine OGT with the structured light to work out the camera's position relative to the object</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:19:42" id="T22:19:42"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:19:42+00:00">22:19:42</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>OGT: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnDZsXK1X9Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnDZsXK1X9Y</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:19:46" id="T22:19:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:19:46+00:00">22:19:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>isn't there not enough information to do that?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:20:01" id="T22:20:01"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:20:01+00:00">22:20:01</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, <a href="http://bugs.openembedded.net/attachment.cgi?id=13290">http://bugs.openembedded.net/attachment.cgi?id=13290</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:20:36" id="T22:20:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:20:36+00:00">22:20:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, I have seen this on TV</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:21:22" id="T22:21:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:21:22+00:00">22:21:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>crazy computer scientists!</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:21:33" id="T22:21:33"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:21:33+00:00">22:21:33</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: +require conf/machine/include/tune-arm11-msm.inc</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:21:34" id="T22:21:34"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:21:34+00:00">22:21:34</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>witchcraft</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:21:36" id="T22:21:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:21:36+00:00">22:21:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>nice, but I think there is aa missing scaling factor that needs to be applied</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:21:38" id="T22:21:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:21:38+00:00">22:21:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ohh</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:22:03" id="T22:22:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:22:03+00:00">22:22:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: the scaling factor can be worked out with your point cloud :)</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:23:20" id="T22:23:20"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:23:20+00:00">22:23:20</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>koen: Hmmm... I thought about that before... maybe I should get out the scratch paper and see</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:23:46" id="T22:23:46"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:23:46+00:00">22:23:46</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: and changes the _ARCH = "armv6" to _ARCH = "armv6-novfp"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:23:59" id="T22:23:59"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:23:59+00:00">22:23:59</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: after that it's good enough to go in</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:24:08" id="T22:24:08"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:24:08+00:00">22:24:08</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>:) k</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:24:57" id="T22:24:57"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:24:57+00:00">22:24:57</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: if you mail me the resulting patch I'll apply it later tonight or tomorrow morning</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:25:27" id="T22:25:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:25:27+00:00">22:25:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>scary</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:25:40" id="T22:25:40"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:25:40+00:00">22:25:40</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>2 actors from the predator movie are now US governors</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:04" id="T22:26:04"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:04+00:00">22:26:04</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>can you do test raphael kaiser vogue virtual/kernel before</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:16" id="T22:26:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:16+00:00">22:26:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>on one of the lightspeed machines?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:26" id="T22:26:26"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:26+00:00">22:26:26</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>hasta la vista</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:28" id="T22:26:28"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:28+00:00">22:26:28</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>sure</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:36" id="T22:26:36"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:36+00:00">22:26:36</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>thanks</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:49" id="T22:26:49"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:49+00:00">22:26:49</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>you mean these 3 lines?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:50" id="T22:26:50"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:50+00:00">22:26:50</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>FEED_ARCH = "armv6-novfp"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:26:51" id="T22:26:51"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:51+00:00">22:26:51</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>BASE_PACKAGE_ARCH = "armv6-novfp"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<abbr title="2008-11-28T22:26:51+00:00">22:26:51</abbr>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>PACKAGE_EXTRA_ARCHS += "armv4 armv4t armv5te armv6-novfp"</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:27:03" id="T22:27:03"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:27:03+00:00">22:27:03</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>yes</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:27:07" id="T22:27:07"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:27:07+00:00">22:27:07</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>not TARGET_CC_ARCH = "-march=armv6j -mtune=arm1136jf-s" ?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:27:38" id="T22:27:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:27:38+00:00">22:27:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>right</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:28:08" id="T22:28:08"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:28:08+00:00">22:28:08</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ok think it's done then</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:28:29" id="T22:28:29"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:28:29+00:00">22:28:29</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>what email?</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:28:38" id="T22:28:38"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:28:38+00:00">22:28:38</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: the software used in that youtube clip: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARToolKit">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARToolKit</a></q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:28:44" id="T22:28:44"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:28:44+00:00">22:28:44</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>dcordes: koen@openembedded.org</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:29:22" id="T22:29:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:29:22+00:00">22:29:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>nice...</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:29:27" id="T22:29:27"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:29:27+00:00">22:29:27</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>ds2</cite>&gt; <q>okay bbl. food run</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:31:16" id="T22:31:16"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:31:16+00:00">22:31:16</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ok sent hope I added no funny errors</q></li>
<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:31:22" id="T22:31:22"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:31:22+00:00">22:31:22</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>ds2, bon appetito</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T22:33:43" id="T22:33:43"><abbr title="2008-11-28T22:33:43+00:00">22:33:43</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>dcordes</cite>&gt; <q>koen, thanks a lot. I'm off</q></li>
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<li class="message">[<a href="#T23:29:17" id="T23:29:17"><abbr title="2008-11-28T23:29:17+00:00">23:29:17</abbr></a>] &lt;<cite>koen</cite>&gt; <q>ds2: do you have any sample (e.g. screenshots) of your current results? </q></li>
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