From 7640d1b7a83abda432e7cb8b88a2bc1f4c765ea1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Petr Baudis Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:33:46 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] t-regress: Add 2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf --- t-regress/TODO | 15 - t-regress/by-falseeye/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf | 1 + t-regress/by-semeai/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf | 1 + t-regress/games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf | 428 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 4 files changed, 430 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-) create mode 120000 t-regress/by-falseeye/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf create mode 120000 t-regress/by-semeai/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf create mode 100644 t-regress/games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf diff --git a/t-regress/TODO b/t-regress/TODO index fdccdf6..ef6fae1 100644 --- a/t-regress/TODO +++ b/t-regress/TODO @@ -7,21 +7,6 @@ This list can be processed automatically: * http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/6/5/pachi2-SimpleBot.sgf ladder pachi shouldn't play the broken ladders up to move 53 -* http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/6/5/Zen19-pachi2.sgf semeai falseeye - should have won - . move 185 S15 very dubious - - . move 211 T18 pachi still thinks the semeai is undecided. - but white has a lot more liberties. How can the playouts - not see this? - - . move 227 S3: here are suggestions by Aja - If a false will become a real eye by capturing a diagonal group, - then capture the group instead of filling the false eye. So if - pachi wants to fill s3 it will capture at T1 instead. Then S3 - will become an illegal move so pachi will evaluate this group - 100% alive and won't play at T2 such stupid move. - * http://files.gokgs.com/games/2011/6/5/tazaki-pachi30s.sgf semeai falseeye pachi doesn't see even one move ahead in a semeai, it expects an answer outside the semeai. The score drops from 0.625 to 0.337: diff --git a/t-regress/by-falseeye/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf b/t-regress/by-falseeye/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf new file mode 120000 index 0000000..bd0d456 --- /dev/null +++ b/t-regress/by-falseeye/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +../games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/t-regress/by-semeai/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf b/t-regress/by-semeai/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf new file mode 120000 index 0000000..bd0d456 --- /dev/null +++ b/t-regress/by-semeai/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +../games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf \ No newline at end of file diff --git a/t-regress/games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf b/t-regress/games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf new file mode 100644 index 0000000..9d907ab --- /dev/null +++ b/t-regress/games/2011-06-05-Zen19-pachi2.sgf @@ -0,0 +1,428 @@ +(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2] +RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[1740]OT[10/30 Canadian] +PW[Zen19]PB[pachi2]WR[4d]BR[3d]DT[2011-06-05]GC[185 S15:bad should just connect at T13 +211 T18:bad! useless, pachi still thinks the semeai is undecided but white has a lot more liberties. How can the playouts not see this? +217 S3:bad! pachi must not hope white will end up with a semi-false eye and fill it instead of capturing the cutting stone]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[pachi2 [3d\]: GTP Engine for pachi2 (black): Pachi Distributed Engine version 8.99 (Hakugen-devel): I'm playing the distributed engine. When I'm losing, I will resign, if I think I win, I play until you pass. Anyone can send me 'winrate' in private chat to get my assessment of the position. +Zen19 [4d\]: GTP Engine for Zen19 (white): Zen version 7.7 +]RE[W+Resign] +;B[oc]BL[1739.323] +;W[pp]WL[1722.852] +;B[pn]BL[1738.474] +;W[np]WL[1714.566] +;B[qk]BL[1726.189] +;W[dd]WL[1697.475] +;B[co]BL[1688.04] +;W[dq]WL[1680.439] +;B[ep]BL[1665.598] +;W[eq]WL[1672.315] +;B[fp]BL[1653.635] +;W[gq]WL[1663.862] +;B[fc]BL[1616.76] +;W[cf]WL[1647.203] +;B[ch]BL[1581.562] +;W[qc]WL[1639.882] +;B[gp]BL[1547.708] +;W[hq]WL[1624.675] +;B[hp]BL[1514.792] +;W[pe]WL[1616.61] +;B[iq]BL[1503.413] +;W[lc]WL[1599.754] +;B[jc]BL[1468.749] +;W[eg]WL[1582.984] +;B[md]BL[1455.95] +;W[ld]WL[1568.011] +;B[le]BL[1444.971] +;W[jd]WL[1551.555] +;B[id]BL[1433.958] +;W[ke]WL[1541.906] +;B[mc]BL[1423.011] +;W[lf]WL[1528.974] +;B[me]BL[1411.757] +;W[lb]WL[1521.223] +;B[kf]BL[1399.469] +;W[jf]WL[1510.346] +;B[kg]BL[1388.745] +;W[jg]WL[1502.247] +;B[kh]BL[1357.129] +;W[jh]WL[1485.818]C[CCY [8k\]: is this a game in a tournament? +] +;B[ki]BL[1346.522] +;W[ic]WL[1478.305]C[NOTA [6k\]: ZvP +ajahuang [6d\]: pachi's opening is good now +] +;B[hc]BL[1319.763] +;W[ib]WL[1463.995] +;B[ie]BL[1309.263]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: j15? +Pinguschaf [?\]: this is gonna be interesting +] +;W[hb]WL[1449.091] +;B[je]BL[1297.716] +;W[kd]WL[1435.253] +;B[hg]BL[1280.962]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: this fight looks better for black +] +;W[ji]WL[1425.213]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: with the thickness waiting on lower side +] +;B[jj]BL[1270.483] +;W[gc]WL[1409.738] +;B[gd]BL[1254.169] +;W[hd]WL[1395.36]C[ajahuang [6d\]: ya black is better +] +;B[he]BL[1243.888] +;W[kj]WL[1387.793]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: black is fighting well +] +;B[mh]BL[1213.093]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: but im not sure if positional judgement by humans matters at all +] +;W[ij]WL[1379.924] +;B[jk]BL[1202.542] +;W[gh]WL[1371.967]C[dsmic [13k?\]: to bad winrate not working during tournament +] +;B[dg]BL[1171.017]C[jlg [-\]: 53% for black +ajahuang [6d\]: things changed +] +;W[df]WL[1355.899]C[ajahuang [6d\]: L10 was good +dsmic [13k?\]: thx +] +;B[eh]BL[1160.642] +;W[fh]WL[1348.45]C[Bogin [-\]: looks like Zen enters its famous "kill mode" and sets its eye on J15... +] +;B[ef]BL[1131.513] +;W[fg]WL[1334.522] +;B[ik]BL[1119.765] +;W[ei]WL[1320.716]C[ajahuang [6d\]: suddenly pachi is losing +guxxan [6d\]: zEN -> kill mode +DaniPerrin [2k\]: but zen not knows mercy +guxxan [6d\]: cool +] +;B[cj]BL[1088.326] +;W[hh]WL[1313.571] +;B[fe]BL[1059.185]C[Meepy [-\]: h12 didn't look necessary +] +;W[dk]WL[1297.852]C[guxxan [6d\]: yeah, h12 is a waste move +] +;B[gb]BL[1015.543] +;W[hc]WL[1284.494] +;B[cc]BL[979.374]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: black will live +] +;W[dh]WL[1268.938]C[CCY [8k\]: state of the art tenuki +] +;B[cg]BL[964.824] +;W[dc]WL[1254.751]C[Meepy [-\]: lol +] +;B[eb]BL[950.552] +;W[gf]WL[1243.208]C[guxxan [6d\]: Human does tenuki +] +;B[ge]BL[936.456] +;W[ga]WL[1227.968] +;B[db]BL[922.721]C[CCY [8k\]: well, im just finding a chance to tell this joke :| +Meepy [-\]: whoops +] +;W[fb]WL[1212.781] +;B[ec]BL[909.462]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: stupid not to connect +ajahuang [6d\]: oh +] +;W[hk]WL[1197.657]C[ajahuang [6d\]: what is zen doing? +Bogin [-\]: dying :( +] +;B[ii]BL[896.302]C[Meepy [-\]: everything swings around, this is fun :) +] +;W[hj]WL[1182.711]C[jlg [-\]: 57% for black +k81 [4d\]: well - this zen runs on mac so... :) +guxxan [6d\]: oooooooooo +] +;B[ih]BL[883.293] +;W[ck]WL[1175.028]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: maybe zen will win by time :) +] +;B[dj]BL[869.746]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: zen should resign +] +;W[ej]WL[1160.136]C[CCY [8k\]: winrate? +Bogin [-\]: nah, Zen will kill C12 ;) +] +;B[bi]BL[849.026]C[jlg [-\]: don't understimate the ability of pachi to lose won games +] +;W[il]WL[1153.591]C[ZenAuthor [-\]: 44% +] +;B[jl]BL[836.752]C[CCY [8k\]: thx +] +;W[jm]WL[1139.155] +;B[im]BL[824.962]C[ajahuang [6d\]: Zen was winning to moon +ajahuang [6d\]: now it is losing +] +;W[hl]WL[1125.38] +;B[if]BL[813.419]C[LexC [3k\]: what was the wrong move? +] +;W[kl]WL[1110.935]C[CCY [8k\]: too many state of the art move lol +] +;B[ig]BL[801.95]C[dsmic [13k?\]: f18? +] +;W[kk]WL[1102.327]C[ajahuang [6d\]: D9 was wrong +] +;B[ji]BL[791.102]C[ajahuang [6d\]: should played one more move in the corner +] +;W[bk]WL[1095.355] +;B[lp]BL[760.402]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: hehe +Pinguschaf [?\]: b13 +] +;W[ir]WL[1081.697] +;B[jr]BL[730.747] +;W[in]WL[1067.461] +;B[km]BL[720.614] +;W[jn]WL[1053.351] +;B[jp]BL[710.773] +;W[bg]WL[1043.716]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: zen found b13 +] +;B[mn]BL[684.29] +;W[nn]WL[1037.198]C[jlg [-\]: pachi expected b13 next when playing k4 +] +;B[mo]BL[674.874] +;W[on]WL[1030.818] +;B[bh]BL[664.895] +;W[bf]WL[1017.719]C[CCY [8k\]: how do you know? are there any logs shown this information? +guxxan [6d\]: I have a question, why bots like to play in one place, then jump to another place, then jump back? +] +;B[pl]BL[639.486]C[me12k: guxxan, because of move "value" +] +;W[lm]WL[1003.871] +;B[mm]BL[628.683]C[guxxan [6d\]: yes, A->B->A +] +;W[qi]WL[991.577]C[guxxan [6d\]: after play B, A value becomes big again? +] +;B[ph]BL[604.8]C[Nickless [-\]: so like +Nickless [-\]: a = 12 points +] +;W[qh]WL[978.931]C[Nickless [-\]: b = 11 points +DaniPerrin [2k\]: because, urgency of these moves alternates globaly +me12k: yes, that's how good bots are made +Nickless [-\]: a2 = 10 points +Nickless [-\]: so it plays a then b then a2 +] +;B[qg]BL[583.629]C[guxxan [6d\]: I see +] +;W[pg]WL[966.328] +;B[rg]BL[561.639] +;W[qf]WL[953.978] +;B[og]BL[552.566]C[Bogin [-\]: or could it be that they are similarly big and because of randomness in the playouts it switches back and forth? +DaniPerrin [2k\]: but us, human, we focus too much on local fight +] +;W[pf]WL[941.717] +;B[pi]BL[551.374] +;W[qq]WL[929.951]C[me12k: bogin, not all bots use playouts, but they all associate a "value" to a move +] +;B[ri]BL[530.308] +;W[rf]WL[917.888]C[Bogin [-\]: I see, I was focussing on MC bots +] +;B[kn]BL[510.064] +;W[bq]WL[912.075]C[me12k: MC are the most common, but not all +Bogin [-\]: bots with score-based evaluation functions behave differently of course +] +;B[nr]BL[490.463] +;W[mq]WL[900.848]C[quicksand [1d\]: zen is wrapping up the game +] +;B[fq]BL[471.751]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: who is winning now ? +] +;W[fr]WL[888.916] +;B[er]BL[464.511]C[CCY [8k\]: there still have points on MC bots. the move with the most playouts will be played +] +;W[gr]WL[877.268]C[quicksand [1d\]: w +me12k: white seems to be winning (but my 12k specticles might be wrong) +CCY [8k\]: the number of playouts is the value of moves +] +;B[lr]BL[446.863] +;W[qn]WL[869.344] +;B[qm]BL[440.96]C[ajahuang [6d\]: pachi played too many small moves +Meepy [-\]: c2 works? +] +;W[rn]WL[857.592]C[guxxan [6d\]: so so +] +;B[cr]BL[425.51]C[me12k: let's see +] +;W[dr]WL[845.541] +;B[cq]BL[424.381] +;W[dp]WL[832.611]C[Nickless [-\]: zen shouldve played c3 +] +;B[cp]BL[418.522]C[ajahuang [6d\]: Zen should connect C3 +] +;W[do]WL[824.074] +;B[dn]BL[412.613] +;W[cs]WL[818.245]C[Nickless [-\]: it was onlly capturing j2 sente then +] +;B[po]BL[404.317] +;W[qo]WL[805.567] +;B[oq]BL[391.568]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: zen will cut at c6 +] +;W[oo]WL[794.774] +;B[eo]BL[385.759] +;W[es]WL[783.321] +;B[pm]BL[371.955] +;W[br]WL[770.879]C[Meepy [-\]: more back and forth +] +;B[op]BL[357.997]C[guxxan [6d\]: ooo, exchange +guxxan [6d\]: exiciting +] +;W[en]WL[759.065] +;B[pq]BL[348.693] +;W[qp]WL[748.048]C[ajahuang [6d\]: w is good +] +;B[gm]BL[335.269] +;W[em]WL[736.177] +;B[mb]BL[330.112] +;W[ee]WL[724.049] +;B[kb]BL[324.716] +;W[la]WL[717.082] +;B[ma]BL[318.817]C[LexC [3k\]: :) +] +;W[bc]WL[710.286] +;B[cd]BL[303.605]C[Nickless [-\]: zen doesnt see snapback ? +] +;W[bd]WL[698.183] +;B[rh]BL[288.783]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: he doesnt "see" anything +] +;W[gn]WL[686.269]C[Nickless [-\]: oh you smartass +] +;B[sf]BL[275.326]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: :) +Pinguschaf [?\]: but i think he played it because of j19 +] +;W[ko]WL[674.295]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: to avoid Ko +] +;B[ln]BL[270.491] +;W[kq]WL[668.802] +;B[jq]BL[256.103] +;W[se]WL[661.466]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: this game is really confusing +ajahuang [6d\]: strange +me12k: zen might be stronger, but pachi has a nice pic +] +;B[re]BL[242.121]C[Nickless [-\]: im wondering why he played off after n18 +] +;W[sg]WL[655.879]C[ajahuang [6d\]: wow pachi +] +;B[bb]BL[229.109] +;W[mr]WL[645.037] +;B[qr]BL[224.751] +;W[rr]WL[635.098] +;B[pr]BL[224.05]C[Imp20 [3k\]: zen gonna win in the end game with moves like s15 +] +;W[rs]WL[624.907] +;B[hm]BL[211.128] +;W[hn]WL[618.964]C[Pinguschaf [?\]: maybe s15 is preparing amazing endgame for black :) +] +;B[rc]BL[201.786] +;W[pc]WL[609.27] +;B[qd]BL[195.989]C[Meepy [-\]: guess pachi lost +me12k: doubt it, pachi seems disperate +] +;W[kp]WL[599.018] +;B[lq]BL[191.922]C[ajahuang [6d\]: interesting +] +;W[pd]WL[592.962]C[jlg [-\]: no pachi stil thinks it is winning 62% +] +;B[qb]BL[187.816] +;W[pb]WL[587.694] +;B[rb]BL[186.803] +;W[sd]WL[582.258] +;B[fn]BL[175.017] +;W[fm]WL[574.431] +;B[rd]BL[171.025]C[ajahuang [6d\]: pachi should play T16 first +] +;W[qa]WL[569.25] +;B[ra]BL[170.004] +;W[pa]WL[560.013] +;B[sb]BL[165.451] +;W[kr]WL[554.906] +;B[ks]BL[161.27]C[me12k: pachi seems to loose with 80% acc +] +;W[qe]WL[549.875] +;B[bs]BL[153.781] +;W[as]WL[544.846] +;B[rq]BL[146.855]C[Imp20 [3k\]: what was b1 +] +;W[ff]WL[535.255] +;B[ka]BL[135.861] +;W[jb]WL[529.751]C[CCY [8k\]: zen is in cleanup mode +me12k: b1 was: please ignore this move so I can win +] +;B[rp]BL[125.496]C[ajahuang [6d\]: seems pachi misevaluates the top-right group +] +;W[ro]WL[524.61] +;B[sr]BL[114.857]C[DaniPerrin [2k\]: k5 is big +] +;W[sp]WL[519.656]C[me12k: he failed to count libs +] +;B[qs]BL[107.776] +;W[sq]WL[512.927] +;B[rq]BL[106.606] +;W[rp]WL[507.952]C[CCY [8k\]: T18 is temporally not dead, so it maybe wrongly evaluate winrate +] +;B[sm]BL[96.962] +;W[ja]WL[502.583] +;B[kc]BL[90.713] +;W[jo]WL[497.408]C[me12k: w+res ? +] +;B[ha]BL[82.474] +;W[fa]WL[492.245] +;B[el]BL[75.003] +;W[dm]WL[487.181] +;B[dl]BL[68.233]C[ajahuang [6d\]: this game is over +] +;W[cm]WL[480.37] +;B[cl]BL[62.191] +;W[bl]WL[471.868] +;B[be]BL[56.739] +;W[ce]WL[463.689] +;B[ac]BL[51.795] +;W[cb]WL[457.424] +;B[hs]BL[47.063] +;W[is]WL[448.059] +;B[js]BL[43.134] +;W[hr]WL[443.298]C[Imp20 [3k\]: b lost in end game +] +;B[ca]BL[38.204] +;W[ob]WL[438.812] +;B[oe]BL[33.159] +;W[of]WL[428.918] +;B[ls]BL[28.38] +;W[od]WL[424.501] +;B[gl]BL[24.064] +;W[nc]WL[420.147]C[me12k: ,-) +] +;B[fl]BL[19.822] +;W[fo]WL[415.82] +;B[hi]BL[17.742] +;W[gj]WL[411.471] +;B[gi]BL[16.91] +;W[fi]WL[407.105] +;B[bm]BL[12.213]C[jlg [-\]: yes pachi didn't evaluate top right correctly +] +;W[bn]WL[402.688] +;B[gk]BL[7.498] +;W[fj]WL[398.423] +;B[cn]BL[2.49] +;W[am]WL[394.105] +;B[go]BL[29.89]OB[9] +;W[fn]WL[389.853] +;B[nd]BL[27.379]OB[8] +;W[nb]WL[385.616] +;B[na]BL[25.068]OB[7] +;W[nf]WL[381.454] +;B[ne]BL[23.188]OB[6] +;W[mf]WL[377.21] +;B[bj]BL[19.865]OB[5] +;W[di]WL[373.114] +;B[cc]BL[16.473]OB[4] +;W[ed]WL[369.063] +;B[ad]BL[13.179]OB[3] +;W[ae]WL[364.887] +;B[cd]BL[9.436]OB[2] +;W[cb]WL[360.771] +;B[sn]BL[5.37]OB[1] +;W[cc]WL[356.726] +;B[lg]BL[30]OB[10] +;W[fd]WL[352.645] +;B[mg]BL[27.985]OB[9] +;W[da]WL[348.52] +;B[sh]BL[26.196]OB[8] +;W[sf]WL[344.297] +;B[ng]BL[25.365]OB[7] +;W[sc]WL[340.217]C[me12k: no res yet? +jlg [-\]: thanks for the game +ZenAuthor [-\]: thanks for the game +DaniPerrin [2k\]: incredible game +]) -- 2.11.4.GIT